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Tyrone van leyen
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Apes that write, start fires and play Pac-Man
by inkling inok, so i posted this link on the recent thread about "ape rights", but for those who didn't.
get three pages into that thread, this is an amazing video that makes me realize just how thin.
and arbitrary the wall is that we place between ourselves and other animals.. .
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JWs and Star Trek...
by Thylacine inone part of my experience with the jw's was that many of the elders in my congreagtion were die hard into star trek...i figured it was isolated to that one kh, but as i went to different ones, i noticed it was a lot of them.
one elder explained his fandom as: "it makes me think of the new system.
we will travel to other planets when the earth is full, and colonize the galaxy.
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Tyrone van leyen
Time for another moment of pissedoffedness. When I was growing up in the shitlesses, I can rembember coming home and being enthralled by startrek. Some part of me however, felt very guilty, for watching it though. This is because the bible spoke nothing of any of the wonders that unfolded in the star trek script. Now when I hear that elders were day dreaming their own wonderful future life and not following the watchtower script, I am again pissed. Just another example of being culturally robbed, and made to eat crow while those in the know, enjoy themselves. I'll blame my father for this one, once again. Putting all dreams to rest and exploration of the galaxie and interpretation therof to a small minded witness veiw.
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the JW spin .... is it for everyone?
by chickpea inwatching the evening news i keep feeling this catch in my throat...... .
iowa city is under water and the water is still rising..... just 2 weeks ago the hub and i went down to move our.
student daughter back home while she figures out her next move...... here is a jw spin...... the issue had been: do we make the 1200 mile roundtrip.
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Tyrone van leyen
The end of the world is nothing new. An impending sense of doom, everytime their is a natural disaster, is very natural. I think witnesses think that they have some special knowledge that no one else can understand. It is easily understandable however, and always has been by the masses. Civilizations have come and gone, since recorded history began. What's different now, is that we are livivng in a global world.
The Mayans predicted the end in 2012. This is not a matter of hocus pocus. The ancients had a great deal of atronomical data which can pinpoint certain epochs in plantary allingment, called processional cycles. As we conclude the age of picses, we enter the age of aquarious and a state of planetary allignment the likes of which occurs, every 12,000 years or so.
Planetary allingment means disruption of the earths magnetic core, in which case, the earths magnetic core, may actually stop rotating for almost 3 days to one week. This will cause untold destruction of the entire earth. But not to worry, this has all happened before, and will happen over and over again. Every time we reach a peak of knowledge civilization must start over. That is precisely how Atlantis disappeared.
What we are witnessing now ( no pun intended) is the early stages of this magnetic core disruption. Increase in temperature changes, more earthquakes, and in the end, a complete pole shift, in which all will be destroyed and have to start over again. It is nothing new. Don't worry
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How long must you suffer?
by Magick in...for being involved with jehovah's witnesses?
2 years?.
5 years?.
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Tyrone van leyen
Many wise words Magick. Healing of self is ongoing, and like I always say, it takes as long as it takes. Unfortunately the dynamics that formed some of us, in developmental years, from which we aquired our identitites, remain unchanged. Time can diminish, and heal, but there are things I beleive, many will take to their graves.
When your structure of beleif collapses, what do you turn to? When you have known nothing else and have a family that continues to pressure and make you feel like shit, offering zero affirmation. Trust gets destroyed. Not just in those around you, but in yourself.
It seems the ones who understand best, the dilema of the born ins, are the ones who were themselves born in. There are definately heavy scars.
How can one say, who they are, or what you are supposed to be, when the exploration of youth was sqaundered on someone elses agenda and all that is natural in society was frowned upon?
I had a freind who did ten years in the pen and he said that parts of him will walk those corridors forever.
Indeed, forgiveness is for the strong. A twenty year sentence by the witnesses as a born in, and another 20 in confusion and pain. I have certainly had enough, and wish to claim the next twenty as mine, hopefully applying some of the principles you mentioned and insight from the board.
Incidently, this is off topic, but do you realize the way you have spelled magick in your avatar is the same way Aleister Crowley , the leading Satanist of the 20th century, chose to spell it. He was declared the wickedest man in the world, because of child sacrifice, pedophelia, blood drinking and orgies etc. His motto was, do as thou wilst shall be the whole of the law.
I don't insinuate anything from this, but it is a strange paradox that despite his evil, he was widely read and admired by the Beatles who preached love and gave the world very beatiful music. Just a curious observation though. Probably means nothing. I just found your spelling unusual.
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Expect big things to happen tomorrow
by startingover inthat's right, may 1 and after should see momentous changes!.
that because it's.
national day of prayer!.
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Tyrone van leyen
You make a very good point Shawn. It's actually quite funny. I definately see the significance of someones sons basketball team winning a game to something worthy of the annals of history. It certainly trumps anything happening in Iraq or Darfur.
I think someone needs to tell God, his micro management of traffic lights and baby teeth is superb, but the grand suffering of the entire universe needs a little work.
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Expect big things to happen tomorrow
by startingover inthat's right, may 1 and after should see momentous changes!.
that because it's.
national day of prayer!.
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Tyrone van leyen
Are you implying that humanity is only capable of good deeds by fooling ourselves into thinking there is deity and rewards forthcoming.
I don't think that beleiving in something that isn't true, is a good foundation to work from, if we are to enter an age of enlightenment. Just as much evil can perpetrated in the name of religion and justified.
The idea that humanity changes its ways, because of God, is a misconception. Just as we saw in the witnesses with the cruelty of shunning, Just as we see in the Catholic church sex scandals. Human beings don't change, they only hide behind an image and fool themselves into thinking they are in the favour of the almighty.
Knowledge and education is the key to our salvation. Part of that education is understanding that we are the other person and must work towards the unified goal of eliminating human suffering in a very real rather than abstact way.
We have suceeded with our own hand, in breaking down the entire human Genome. We are living in times of technological marvels. It is our own intelligence that brought us to this point.
God didn't set up the human Genome project, or put man on the moon. We did! God doesn't fight against evil. We do.
Perhaps evil and crime of the future will be looked upon as a genetic weakness in which case, cures will be available.
Einstein said that anything we can imagine is possible. There is so room for wishful thinking here.
The concept of goodwill must become a reality not because we are motivated by God, but because it makes sense for out own good and survival on a Global planet. It is common sense.
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Expect big things to happen tomorrow
by startingover inthat's right, may 1 and after should see momentous changes!.
that because it's.
national day of prayer!.
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Tyrone van leyen
What are saying NVR? We've been worshipping a fat red hand all these years, and can expect to receive pocupine hats for our efforts?
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Expect big things to happen tomorrow
by startingover inthat's right, may 1 and after should see momentous changes!.
that because it's.
national day of prayer!.
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Tyrone van leyen
If the entire world got up tommorow in unison, on bent knees, looking heavenward, wearing sackcloth and rolling in ashes, the world would not change one iota, just as it hasn't, throughout all of known time.
The oceans will still be polluted. Manna will not drop from heaven, to feed those in Darfur, Zimbabwe, Calcutta or anywhere else. Human rights abuses in China, South Korea, or timbuctoo for that matter will remain the same.
Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, or any number of terrorsits organizations and criminal gangs,will not disband and start singing," We all live in a yellow submarine."
The uneducated and poverty stricken, will not become enlighted and live in 5 star luxury.
The power hungry, the selfish, and the greedy, will not have a change of heart.
The sick and dieing will not be cured, and the dead will not rise.
Hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, Tsunami's and a host of other natural disaters will not cease either.
Prayer= wishful thinking. Wishful thinking= fantasy. Positive action, yeilds positive results. It is in our hands and always has been. Once we stop beleiving in fairytales, maybe we can make some progress, but something tells me,all of humanity,has a built in self desruct button.
Most religions want the end to come. Thats a self destruct philosophy, that will become a self fullfilling prophecy.
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Jw upbringing and retarded social growth.
by AK - Jeff ini was raised a jw, by an inactive jw mom.
looking back, and reflection on my childhood, causes me to wonder.. i honestly did not miss the holidays, for example.
i never had them, so nothing was taken away in that regard.
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Tyrone van leyen
Your'e right Jeff. They don't care. I am also very aware of the bitterness factor. I have seen slight changes in my rage towards a milder appraoch and realize how this encroaches upon my enjoyment of life. I still get triggered though at times.
Since my last failed relationship, I have lived like a hermit now for about four years. In a way the aloneness and this board has caused much internalized thinking and I really think in some ways its a good thing for now. I couldn't have gotten this far otherwise.
I can certainly relate to many worst case scenarios, but I'm not always strong enough on account of my own blinding depression at times, and disappear off the radar. I hope no one takes it personal. I just shut down sometimes. You must understand that. I guess that doesn't make for a very good freind, but it does, if fellow victims know what I'm talkin about.
All of us find this place a comfort,because we can engage and relate and then crawl back into our own world of safety. I don't want it to be like this forever. I beleive wer'e on the right track bud.
It's funny but when others understand,it brings me out more. No one wants to come across as a crybaby or complainer. We just want to be understood and relate to one another.
Beleive it or not, I used to actually like people. We all need to heal,and dare I say, trust again.
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Jw upbringing and retarded social growth.
by AK - Jeff ini was raised a jw, by an inactive jw mom.
looking back, and reflection on my childhood, causes me to wonder.. i honestly did not miss the holidays, for example.
i never had them, so nothing was taken away in that regard.
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Tyrone van leyen
Lots of interesting comments here. No Jeff I didn't go for it. I was dieing inside. I snapped. I somehow realized that if I stayed in this org. I would be a bow tie wearing geek and never have a girlfreind. I lost it.
I never held a girls hand or dated. Girls didn't like me, and I don't blame them, but it wasn't my fault. I decided one day that I had to do something, and I did. It was outrageous and out of character for me, but I went and hired a prostitute. It was a situation they created by Continuously Kiboshing my life. I'm not a bad lookin guy either. I blame them 450%! Unfortunately, that took me down a completely different path in life, especially after the public announcement. I made the mistake of telling someone I trusted, and she told every elder from here to montreal. My name, my reputation became mud overnight. To this day I have still never had a date. It was just never explained to me.
Our congregation was so bad in its restrictions, I know others that did the same as me after but were never puinished.
That brings me to the double standards, double life, favoured lot. The guys in the know. The ones who are protected. I was the scapegoat. I was the one you point the finger at. Theres the bad guy! Theres the guy you want, while all the elders sons partied, had sex and did whatever they wanted acting all riteous. I despise them! Please beleive me I spent 20 years digging up dirt and I know what every frigging one of them got away with. I have talked to them personally, caught some in the act.
My family just would't beleive me. They were a bunch of tools! Subsequently my guilt, my self esteem, my depression at the most crucial time in my life, there was zero support from anyone and I became a more or less a pariah. I have never told my full story and don't know if I ever will. It's effin ugly. I now have no mercy, on any witness. I got a 20 year sentence so to speak, for what they orchestrated and they were all just as guilty. Disgusting! They fear me now. They know I know the score.
I don't condone what I did. But they created that scenario! I can take my licks if the rules are broken too, but everyone else better get the same consequences. They didn't, and never will.
All this happened at a very bad time too. During the great purges of the mid-eighties. They needed me, to point a finger at. A vulnerable naive teen to make an example of. I helped protect their delinquent little bastards!